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OB・現役のみんなに質問です。
前にお薦めの本は何？というやりとりがありましたよね。
ディスに使える、面白い本はないでしょうか。

自分でも参考に挙げます。
『ザ・ディベート』茂木秀昭　ちくま新書
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最近本屋で立ち読みしまくってディベとかロジックの本をみてみました☆
図で考える人は仕事ができる、議論のレッスンとかも読みました。なかなか
参考になる部分が多かったです（＾Ｏ＾）反論力だったか、反証力だったか
わすれましたが、そういう名前の本が面白く、ただいま購入を検討中…(お金が…)
しばらくはディベの本を中心に読んで生きたいと思います。九月からは本を大量に読む予定でっす♪

＞がともさん
司馬遼太郎は最高でっす！！こないだクボリンさんと熱く語ってしまいました(笑)
遅いレスですいません。
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下記のようなものです。
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Ｄ：Ｊ/Ｇの視点からSeriousnessを確認できればそれは未成年者にとってのＡＤになりえる
|＞未成年者にとってＨａｒｍが真にSeriousであるならば、その解決はＡＤになる
Ｄ：Ｊ/ＧがＨａｒｍをSeriousだと判断したならば、それは未成年者がSeriousだと思って無くても未成年者にとって真にSeriousである
|＞Ｊ/Ｇの判断は未成年者の判断よりも正しい
Ｄ：未成年者がＨａｒｍをSeriousではないと考えていても、その状況が真に未成年者にとってSeriousで無いとは限らない
|＞未成年者にはＨａｒｍをSeriousだと判断すべき場合でも、正しく判断できずSeriousでないと思ってしまう事がある
Ｄ：未成年者には何が真にSeriousかを判断する能力に欠ける
|＞未成年者には知識や経験が欠ける
Ｄ：思考能力や判断力は知識や経験に基づく

Ｃ：Ｊ/Ｇの判断は未成年者の判断よりも正しい
|＞Ｊ/Ｇは大人の集団である
Ｄ：大人は未成年者よりも状況を的確に判断する力がある　　　　　　　　　　　　
|＞大人は経験、知識等において未成年者を上回る
Ｄ：思考能力や判断力は知識や経験に基づく

といった感じです。
個人的には「未成年者には何が真にSeriousかを判断する能力に欠ける」「大人は経験、知識等において未成年者を上回る」「思考能力や判断力は知識や経験に基づく」といったところで議論がしたいと思ったのですが、VictimにとってのSeriousnessの確認が無ければＡＤは得られないの一点張りで、しかも相手の話にReasoningが見つからず、質問が不十分だったのか満足のいくReasonに関する答えも得られず、そのため相手のClaimを否定もできず、こちらのReasonのsuperiorityも示せずに話が平行線になってしまいました。

単に僕のプレゼンやアーギュの仕方が悪かったということが一番の理由だと思いますが、僕個人としてはSeriousnessの確認にはagainst willが必要不可欠という風潮がある限りこのロジックを相手に理解、あるいは納得させるのは難しいのではないかという気がしましたが、いかがでしょうか。
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質問があります。
結論から言うと、自分達を日本政府に設定した場合、A.S.Q側にN.F.Cをおくのはおかしいのではないか、ということです。
A.S.Qでは現状の話をする、というのがセオリーですよね？だとしたら、我々日本政府が現状で政策を採っていない（問題視していない）のだから、我々が現状でN.F.Cを確認するのは不可能だと思うのですが。
皆さんの意見を聞かせて下さい。

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01: 名前：名無しさん投稿日：2004/01/07(Wed) 22:08
セオリーのことなんですけど、どうしてProbｌem→Harmって順番なんでしょう？Causeは後でやってもいけるんですよね？じゃあHarm→Problemってのもアリですかね？？
どっちでもいけるなら逆から話していってもいけますかね〜？
単純に疑問なことを書いてみました。先輩の意見を聞かせてください。

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なぜなら、とにかくharmの状況そのものが害であるのなら、
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しかし世間一般的に、voluntary harmとなった時点でtargetから外すというのが普通ですよね？
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