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▼ ▲ ■ 1：inferiorityを使ったコンパリ

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01: 名前：let me be投稿日：2004/03/06(Sat) 00:04: 質問です！！一般にコンパリでは、AD＞DAとかDA＞ADというふうに話がされていますよね？
最近僕が感じたのは、AD＜DA、DA＜ADというような議論はできないのか、ということです。
つまり、

Claim：AD＜DA

　　　　Warrant：～という点はcriteriaになる

Data：～という点においてADはDAより劣る（inferiority）

ということです。例えば、ADはボランタリ―ハームチックだから、ボランタリーハーム
じゃないDAより劣るとか。こういう議論はできないですかね？やっぱりNarrowing次第
ですか？
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▼ ▲ ■ 2：volintary harm

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01: 名前：匿名希望２投稿日：2003/10/29(Wed) 23:01: 最近voluntary harmについて疑問が湧きました。
voluntary harmはどんな場合であってもharmにはならないんですか？
僕のスタンスとしてはvoluntary harmであってもharmのターゲットだと思うんです。
なぜなら、とにかくharmの状況そのものが害であるのなら、
その状況を知っていたか知らなかったかという点はあまり関係ないと思うからです。
planでの新しい法律が施行されたら、そのＡＤを受けるのはvoluntary harmを受けていた人も含めharmの状況を受けていた人全員なのですし。
しかし世間一般的に、voluntary harmとなった時点でtargetから外すというのが普通ですよね？
voluntary harmもtargetに含みたい！ＱＴをカットさせたくないためには
どうすればよいのでしょう？？
よろしくお願いしますm(_ _)m
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▼ ▲ ■ 3：ＡＤ・ＤＡが１つづつのコンパリ

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01: 名前：しゅう投稿日：2003/06/19(Thu) 03:13: いろんな人が疑問に思っていることだと思います。
ＰＳＦではＡＤ１つにＤＡ１つでコンパリしますよね、通常。
それでコンパリして、結論だせるのでしょうかあ。
だせる・だせないどちらでもいいのでご意見聞かせてくださいまし。
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▼ ▲ ■ 4：ソリューション

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01: 名前：アルファベット一文字で呼ばれる人＠法市投稿日：2003/05/09(Fri) 23:30: 最近思ったんですがディスにおいて、「常識は人それぞれ違うから常識というものは使ってはいけない」というのが、セオリーのひとつですよね？（今現在もそうなのかわからないですが、少なくとも当時は）
けど、これっておかしくないですか？だって、『常識』の意味、定義を考えると、「みんな共通のもの、考え方」のようなことでしょ？
「共通な考え方じゃない限り、それは常識になりえない」と思いません？だから、常識という言葉が使えないのは変じゃないですか？
一般常識ってなんなんでしょう？就活などで、一般常識を聞かれたとき、「常識は人それぞれ違いますのでわかりません。」なんて言ったら超バカでしょ？
自分が思うに、ディスにおける常識って何通りもの意味があって、ひとつは知識（いわゆる一般常識、）、第２に習慣（目玉焼きにはしょうゆだろ！）、第３に人間としての本能（防衛本能、普通顔を殴られる瞬間目をつぶってしまう）
まあ、思いつくだけでこんな感じです。ディスの中で頻繁に使われるのは、第２の『習慣』ではないかと思います。『習慣』なら人それぞれ違うといえるので。
どうでしょう？
04 名前：たかゆき＠法市でした。投稿日：2003/05/10(Sat) 09:53: ＞しゅう
だな！
まぁ、そういう体質にある人は結構いそうだけど、せめてディスをやるひとは、
せっかくの良い機会だから、ぜひ積極的に「考える」ということをしてほしい
もんだねぇ。
05 名前：しゅう投稿日：2003/05/10(Sat) 10:37: せめてなぜ自分が「常識」だと思ったのか、考えてみたら
よいと思いまーす。
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▼ ▲ ■ 9：お薦めの本

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01: 名前：shu@JDN投稿日：2003/04/04(Fri) 10:49: OB・現役のみんなに質問です。
前にお薦めの本は何？というやりとりがありましたよね。
ディスに使える、面白い本はないでしょうか。

自分でも参考に挙げます。
『ザ・ディベート』茂木秀昭　ちくま新書
『「社会調査」のウソ』谷岡一郎　文春新書
です。
33 名前：クロ＠神大投稿日：2003/08/20(Wed) 00:59: 最近本屋で立ち読みしまくってディベとかロジックの本をみてみました☆
図で考える人は仕事ができる、議論のレッスンとかも読みました。なかなか
参考になる部分が多かったです（＾Ｏ＾）反論力だったか、反証力だったか
わすれましたが、そういう名前の本が面白く、ただいま購入を検討中…(お金が…)
しばらくはディベの本を中心に読んで生きたいと思います。九月からは本を大量に読む予定でっす♪

＞がともさん
司馬遼太郎は最高でっす！！こないだクボリンさんと熱く語ってしまいました(笑)
遅いレスですいません。
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▼ ▲ ■ 10：シーズンオフの有効な使い方

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01: 名前：クロ＠神大投稿日：2003/06/26(Thu) 01:23: どうもご無沙汰しております、アッセも終わり関西ではのこす大会もＫＤＭのみとなりました。
今期は大きなイベントが多く勉強になりました、ありがとうございます☆

もうシーズンオフとなるわけですが、みなさんはどのようなシーズンオフを過ごし、次のシーズンの
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01: 名前：たのくら＠ＷＥＳＡ投稿日：2004/03/25(Thu) 04:16: 初カキコです。前から考えていたんですが春セミを終えてさらに強く考慮の必要性を実感したので質問させてください。

春セミ中に、トピックは未成年者喫煙でＤＩＳをする機会がありました。
その時オプレはＪ/Ｇの視点からSeriousnessを確認したいといってきたんですが、（そのインテンションは単にＶ/Ｈの議論をReasonの箇所でしたくないといったものだったようですが）そのとき僕は前々からいってみたかった理論（と呼べるほどではないかもしれませんが）をふと試してみたくなって提示してみました。
下記のようなものです。
Ｃ：Ｊ/ＧにとってＨａｒｍがSeriousならば、Ｊ/Ｇは未成年者のWILLにかかわらずＰＬＡＮを考慮する必要性がある
|＞Ｊ/Ｇには、ＰＬＡＮを取ることによって未成年者がSeriousとは思ってないＨａｒｍを解決しても、未成年者にとってのＡＤを得られる可能性がある
Ｄ：Ｊ/Ｇの視点からSeriousnessを確認できればそれは未成年者にとってのＡＤになりえる
|＞未成年者にとってＨａｒｍが真にSeriousであるならば、その解決はＡＤになる
Ｄ：Ｊ/ＧがＨａｒｍをSeriousだと判断したならば、それは未成年者がSeriousだと思って無くても未成年者にとって真にSeriousである
|＞Ｊ/Ｇの判断は未成年者の判断よりも正しい
Ｄ：未成年者がＨａｒｍをSeriousではないと考えていても、その状況が真に未成年者にとってSeriousで無いとは限らない
|＞未成年者にはＨａｒｍをSeriousだと判断すべき場合でも、正しく判断できずSeriousでないと思ってしまう事がある
Ｄ：未成年者には何が真にSeriousかを判断する能力に欠ける
|＞未成年者には知識や経験が欠ける
Ｄ：思考能力や判断力は知識や経験に基づく

Ｃ：Ｊ/Ｇの判断は未成年者の判断よりも正しい
|＞Ｊ/Ｇは大人の集団である
Ｄ：大人は未成年者よりも状況を的確に判断する力がある　　　　　　　　　　　　
|＞大人は経験、知識等において未成年者を上回る
Ｄ：思考能力や判断力は知識や経験に基づく

といった感じです。
個人的には「未成年者には何が真にSeriousかを判断する能力に欠ける」「大人は経験、知識等において未成年者を上回る」「思考能力や判断力は知識や経験に基づく」といったところで議論がしたいと思ったのですが、VictimにとってのSeriousnessの確認が無ければＡＤは得られないの一点張りで、しかも相手の話にReasoningが見つからず、質問が不十分だったのか満足のいくReasonに関する答えも得られず、そのため相手のClaimを否定もできず、こちらのReasonのsuperiorityも示せずに話が平行線になってしまいました。

単に僕のプレゼンやアーギュの仕方が悪かったということが一番の理由だと思いますが、僕個人としてはSeriousnessの確認にはagainst willが必要不可欠という風潮がある限りこのロジックを相手に理解、あるいは納得させるのは難しいのではないかという気がしましたが、いかがでしょうか。
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01: 名前：東洋一年投稿日：2004/02/08(Sun) 11:06: 質問があります。
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A.S.Qでは現状の話をする、というのがセオリーですよね？だとしたら、我々日本政府が現状で政策を採っていない（問題視していない）のだから、我々が現状でN.F.Cを確認するのは不可能だと思うのですが。
皆さんの意見を聞かせて下さい。
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01: 名前：名無しさん投稿日：2004/01/07(Wed) 22:08: セオリーのことなんですけど、どうしてProbｌem→Harmって順番なんでしょう？Causeは後でやってもいけるんですよね？じゃあHarm→Problemってのもアリですかね？？
どっちでもいけるなら逆から話していってもいけますかね～？
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